Hey. It's long been true that sysops cannot do this. What is the rationale behind that? Can you perhaps point me to where this decision is made? Thank you.
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Hello
The right to create Flow boards is global and
There is no formal decision, more a way to do things: at the beginning only a few boards were enabled on a few wikis. Then, different communities have decided to use Flow more and more. Nothing has been defined yet to give it to sysops (or another role) on the wikis. My bad, it is one of my tasks and I've postponed it since a while. :/
Can you ask other sysops if it is okay if all sysops of zh.wp have the right to create, move and delete Flow boards? Thanks!
I haven't explicitly asked the community about their stance on this, but I am pretty sure that most people agree the sysop should be able to do those things. I'll do a real survey soon.
On a related note, I have found a way to move and create flow pages as a sysop. I moved user talk:bluedeck/flow to user talk:bluedeck/flow/test with my little exploit. So in all actuality sysops right now can create as many flow boards as they wish and move them wherever they want.
I published this exploit in the local VP a while ago and a global renamer in our community, Wong128hk, I believe, uses this scheme to fulfill rename requests that involve moving flow talks.
I think there should be no problems to allow sysops on zh.wp having the right to create, move and delete Flow boards. And at least, I do believe that phab:T150572 should be resolved asap. Global renamers, other than coming from zh.wp, may not know that flow boards will be left behind while renaming a user on zh.wp.
@Bluedeck, can you hold the survey for a couple of days? Maybe a decision to attribute this right automatically to all sysops on all wikis using Flow as a Beta feature can be taken soon. That would spare time to your colleagues.
For the redirect, have you used this trick?
@Wong128hk, yeah, I know about that. :/ I'm time to time pinged when an account has been renamed but the Flow board hasn't moved.
No, that's not what I did. Here's my exploit.
Objective: move user talk:bluedeck/flow (Page A) to user talk:bluedeck/flow/test (Page B)
Procedure:
- Delete page A.
- Create an ordinary page on top of page A
- Delete this ordinary page
- Restore the whole history of A. So that the history versions carrying flow board is loaded to current history. At this point A looks like an ordinary page.
- Move A to B.
- Delete B
- Restore B, but only restore the versions carrying the flow board. Now you have the flow moved to B.
Interesting! I'll try it next week.
You were two to say it is a good idea, plus I had the same request from Wikidata users. We are going to give the right to create, move and delete Structured Discussions to sysops on your wiki.
I opened a discussion about this issue. While there's not enough involvement for it to be called consensus yet, someone said any unprivileged user should also be able to create and move flow in a way no different than ordinary talk pages. And it made sense to me. So, is this possible?
It would be possible, but I advice prefer to give the right only to sysops first, to see if there is a big need and if the creation process reveals issues. We will be able to move on to give that right to autopatrolled users (for instance) if everything goes well.
It works quite good for sysop to move the flow boards on this wiki. But it would be better if there is a log of page moving created on the page history, just like what have done on the other pages.
It is now possible to create, move and delete Structured discussions boards on this wiki.
@Wong128hk, I'll check this log problem you describe. On which page have you seen it?
"User_talk:A-Chinese-Wikipedian/Flow_存档_1" was moved from "User talk:A-Chinese-User/Flow 存档 1" after the rename of the user. There is a log created on Special:log/move. However, there should be a log created on the page history also.